Respond to the article in a CCEJ paragraph. Agree or disagree with the author's argument and refer back to the supporting details he gives in the text. Have you encountered any of these examples in your own education? Feel free to comment on each other's posts, but make sure to use TEXT EVIDENCE in all responses for full credit.
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ReplyDeleteI agree with John Holt that the way children are being educated is bad for their adulthood and overall being. Holt constantly speaks about how evil the teachers are towards the students and how that negativity effects children as the mature into young adults. John holt states in the third paragraph, " Your experience, your concerns, your curiosities, your needs, what you want...all this is of the slightest importance, it counts for nothing. What counts here, is what we know, what we think is important, what we want you to do, think and be. The child soon learns not to ask questions-the teacher isn't there to satisfy his curiosity. Having learned to hide his curiosity, he later learns to be ashamed of it. Given no chance to find out who he is- and to develop that person, whoever it is- he soon comes to accept the adults' evaluation of him." John holt helps me to agree with his claim because he shows his audience how children are unable to fully express themselves and show who they are because they are not given the proper opportunity to ask questions when they don't fully understand a concept. This hinders them in their adulthood which Holt proves in his essay.
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ReplyDelete"School is Bad for Children" was about an author opinion on how schools should be ran. He expresses that school shouldn't be focuses on the high scores that students can get but the understanding of the work. he also gives a reasoning as to why students are dong badly in school; students are so bored and disengaged in school that they would rather not worry about it or be there. In some ways I would agree with the authors argument about how some students would rather not be bothered with school because they teachers treat them like they are incapable of correcting their mistakes. "Teachers point out all the wrong that a student is doing and not giving him a chance to point out his own mistakes." By not letting the student understand what they have done wrong and develop a solution to their mistake would not prepare them for the real world, the author states that the students would just expect the solutions to be handed to them. I feel that students should be taught on how to be prepared for the real world, be taught how to do taxes the right way so they wont be in debt, how to buy a house, mortgages payments; things like that. So I do agree with the fact that school is bad for children and simply a waste of their time and everyone's money.
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DeleteI completely agree with John Holt that the way children are educated is lousy for them in the future and overall being. Holt explains that teachers tend to make school less exciting due to them teaching topics they feel are beneficial for students. When it turns out to drown students forcing them to focus on material that aren't grasping there attention causing students to lose focus and will do anything to get by. Holt explains the behavior students will show when they lose confidence, curiosity and independence, "children will having learned to hide his curiosity, they later learn to be ashamed of it...they learn that to be wrong, uncertain, confused, is a crime... they learn to dodge, bluff, fake, cheat. They learn to be lazy! People remember only what is interesting and useful to them." (School is Bad, Holt). In conclusion, John explains the only way to keep these children from failure and disobedience is by satisfying their curiosity. Teachers need to stop forcing students into just learning topic for tests and also for future benefits. Schools have to end the poor quality in blocking out the interesting part for students.
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DeleteIn the short writing piece "Schools is Bad for Children" written by John Holt, the author explains the ways in which the school education system is actually doing more harm to a child mentally. I do agree with him that the school educations system is harming a child. The way the school education system is set up, it brainwashes young kids into having a certain mindset that sets them up for failure. schooling takes away a child inability to think on their own and be creative, " He [children] learns that he is worthless...fit only to take orders ....he learns that to be wrong, uncertain,confused, is a crime....he learns that in real life you don't do anything unless you are bribed,bullied or conned into doing it...He learns to work with a small part of his mind"(Holt). When a child is in school their true abilities are cut off as they are taught what they can do and what they cannot do. This brainwashes kids into having a certain mindset that will set them up for failure once they reach adult hood. They will not have the mindset or the courage to take risks and do the things that would make them a successful individual.
ReplyDeleteI agree with John Holt, the author of "School is Bad for Children" because he explains the problems with our current system of education. One thing he points out is how teachers teach students different things and expect them to memorize it. The student may not fully understand the lesson, but are still quizzed on the material and are expected to get right answers. Holt states, "right answers are what the school want, and he learns countless strategies for prying these answers out of the teacher, for conning her into thinking he knows what he doesn't know" (2). Students will come up ways to memorize a certain answer to a question, but they don't know why they're correct or why the answer is the answer. Because that student may get it right, the teacher then believes the student knows what they're doing when they really don't. This is problem because it sets students up for failure in life always trying to be right when in the real world, you're going to make mistakes and pick wrong answers.
DeleteMirandah -- refer to it as the "education system," "school education system" is redundant. 13/15
DeleteShaakirah -- good connection and analysis of his argument. 14/15
Iagree withe the author John Holt because he talks about how schools are not benefiting students. He talk about how school damage student mind to make them not be their selfs. The schools are making students feel like they can't make mistakes or take chances even if they get an answer wrong. For example in the text it states"He learns that to be wrong, uncertain, confused, is a crime.Right answer are what school wants ,and he learns countless strategies for prying these answer out of the teacher,for conning her into thinking he knows what he doesn't know". This is why I agree with the author because schools doesn't make student feel comfortable to take a risk and schools make students scared to ask questions.
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DeleteThe author of “School is bad for Children” expresses his feelings and opinion of schools and how they stunt the natural growth of a child’s mind and imagination. He believes schools represent too much reform and are actually what disadvantages a child’s learning ability. He argues that a child, “sets foot in a school building, is smarter, more curious, less afraid of what he doesn’t know, better at finding and figuring things out, and more confident, resourceful, persistent, and independent than he will ever be again in his schooling – or, unless he is very unusual and very lucky, for the rest of his life” (1). I agree with some points and disagree with others that John Holt makes in this writing. I’m neutral with his feelings of smarter and curious; some children actually do come into a school with more knowledge to give than they have gained, and then some don’t. Also I agree with him when he states that children come into school less afraid and confident from personally experience and from witnessing. Many children come to school believing it is a safe place where mistakes can be made, but once this is done they are shunned and made fun of which helps cease their eagerness to learn. Holt states, “You might say school is a long lesson in how to turn yourself off” (2), and that is exactly what many children do while in school because of their fear of being judged. I disagree with John Holt when he states that a child is more independent and resourceful before they step foot into school, in fact I believe it is the complete opposite. For example, NCA is a somewhat strict school but allows its students to make choices and do for themselves that no one else can do for you. I believe school is one of the only places that actually gives a child the correct resources and chances to learn how to be independent in the real world.
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DeleteI agree with the article "School is Bad for Children" by John Holt because throughout the article the author gives valid reasons for why he believes school is bad for children, those reasons being children are already smart before entering school. Teachers and Staff of schools make it seem as though a school is the only place a child can learn , therefore belittling any education learned outside of the school building, Teachers also refusing to answer a curious child's question and lowering their confidence to ask a question , therefore making a child hesitant to raise their hand and ever getting the correct answers they need to understand. In the text it states," We need to get kids out of the school buildings , and give them a chance to learn about the world at first hand." The author suggests that a child learns the most on their own and does not need to be guided through all of their life. He suggests that children go out into the world instead of being kept in a certain location to learn only. They need to be free and think freely , children learn best by experience and not by being told all the time.
ReplyDeleteMost of your justification is not explaining WHY learning out in the world is superior. You are making statements without backing them up with your rationale. 12/15
DeleteI agree with the author's argument that schools hold children back from exploring and learning in the outside world. Schools don't prepare children to survive in the real world by themselves. They manipulate students so much that the student relies on the teacher to make their decisions for them. Holt, in paragraph 3, says that "[the student] learns that he is worthless, untrustworthy, fit only to take other people's orders, a blank sheet for other people to write on." This abuse from schools don't allow the student to learn how to make decision for themselves, which is the biggest part of growing up. You're life after you leave home is solely based on the decisions you make and if you are unable to make you're own decisions, you won't achieve anything great. I haven't encountered any of these examples in my education because I'm stubborn so I'm not very easily influenced
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DeleteI STRONGLY agree with the author of "School is Bad for Children". he says when children go to school they lose their independence and creativity. In school teachers are expected to teach sand students are expected to learn. Students learn that being wrong is not okay. In the text John Holt states, " he learns that to be wrong, uncertain, confused, is a crime ". He says students learn that any sign of not knowing is not only bad but it is a crime. School shames children from asking and being sure. Students quickly learn to sit and act as if we know rather than speak up because that Is whats expected. The teacher is suppose to teach the lesson and the student is suppose to learn it. So when we have questions or are unsure we don't ask for clarification because that is not whats expected. And when we do decide to speak up we are shunned or belittled for not knowing. To add on to what Kailaa Latrell said about nca being strict they also sometimes expect too much. For example when students dont understand something and speak up teachers (specifically algebra ll math teachers) just bring up the fact that they learned it the year before. This is no help at all. If a student doesnt understand the work today they clearly dont understand the work from a year ago. bringing this fact up is pointless in my opinion. It does not help the student with what they are confused about but it makes them feel less of a student. they no longer want to ask questions about work they were suppose to already know. if teachers arent comparing the work to an earlier lesson they compare the student to another student who understands the work. they question that why did this student understand and do well and the other couldnt if they both were in the same class learning the same stuff. how does the teacher know the student who is confused now wasn't confused and scared to speak up then ? who are they to say what the student should know? why should the student be shunned for not knowing? teachers need to keep all these questions in mind before manipulating a curious student.
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I'm glad you were so engaged in the article! Sorry about your math teacher... 13/15
DeleteIm mutual with John Holt opinion about school because children does derserve to recieve an education but in a correct. I agree with him about the way teacher teaches student can cause them feel a tyoe of way towards learning because of they way they are treating them . Holt has many opinions about this situation he states " a children learning to talk does not learn by being corrrected all the time , if corrected too much he [children] will stop talking. This means if the student is geeting offened about how the teacher is trying to tell them how to say something proper in the wrong way they are going to be reluctant to speak now. This all depends on how the student feels about what is being taught to them , I also diagree with holt because he states " we need to get kids out of the school buildings, and give them a chance to learn about the world at first hand" he bascially is saying he rather for kids to learn the importance of how to survive in the real world. I believe that a child needs and education in order to be able to actually face the world so there shouldnt be a reason not to attend to school . The children need to learn what it takes so that it why i disagree and kinda agree with John Holt.
ReplyDeleteProofread. "Mutual" does not make sense in your claim statement. You also have a few sentences that are incomplete. Please make sure to read over your writing before you submit. 10/15
DeleteI agree with John Holt author of "School is Bad for Children" because I do find that school stifles children's growth and creativity. John Holt expresses his concerns about how he feels that school has become more like a confining prison, rather than a place of education. Just like prison school has become a place where it,"is almost always ugly, cold and inhumane" (Holt 2). And just like inmates students learn how to conform, how to be "bribed, bullied or conned in doing things. . .to work with a small part of his mind, to escape from the reality around him into daydreams and fantasies" (Holt 2). I completely agree with the point that school makes children miserable and feel trapped. School teaches children to conform and to follow the rules just as the warden does for inmates in prison. They are taught to be dependent on teachers and only look for the answer the question that the teacher has posed, never look for the answers to your own curiosity. Children become so wrapped up with doing well in school, we lose who we are and struggle to become independent because of how bad our education system has failed us. In school we are "there to learn", has learning has become a separate part of life?
ReplyDeleteYou could have made this response stronger by explaining how school resembles a prison environment. A lot of your claims aren't justified. 13/15
DeleteI agree with John Holt because I would consider school bad to a certain extent. I believe school does make children lazy and limits us to our knowledge of the outside world. School changes students' mindsets from before they've entered. Holt says, "The child comes to school curious about other people, particularly other children, and the school teaches him to be indifferent." Children often change their minds of how they feel about certain things once they've gotten the experience. This shows that school is bad since children lose their control over their beliefs.
ReplyDeleteYou don't explain how/why children lose their beliefs. Your point is unclear -- what beliefs specifically are you referring to? Needs further development. 10/15
DeleteI agree with John Halt that children that are being taught in school. Are not actually learning. They're being taught but, being taught the wrong things. In the article, "School is Bad for Children", by John Halt. Halt explains that the schooling system isn't what people actually think it is. Schools are not actually teaching what is needed. But, are being taught to not think for themselves and to always depend on a adult. Halt states children actually learns better on their own and more complex things like walking, talking,running, and using the bathroom "In the same way, kids learning to do all the other things they learn without adult teachers - to walk, run, climb, whistle, ride a bike, skate, play games, jump rope" (Halt 3). Halt explains that children learn better and show more growth when they tend to learn on their own. Halt also states when kids cant think for themselves they become self continuous and do not ask clarifying question when confused on a topic being taught in class because, they believe what is actually beimg taught is correct "Having learned to hide his curiosity, he later learns to be ashamed of it. Given no chance to find out who he is - amd to develop that person, whoever it is - he he soon comes to accept the adults evaluation of him... The child soon learns not to ask questions" (Halt 1). By kids not asking does show the dependence of a adult.
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DeleteI agree with John Holt "School is bad for children" in some circumstances but I also feel as though school nurtures children for their future. In Holts text he explains the fact that school takes away children's curiosity and self esteem. In the text it says , " he learns many other things. He learns that to be wrong , uncertain, confused, is a crime". Holt shows that while children are in school the learn that it is never optional to be incorrect, they are never able to ask curious questions and being confused makes children look as if they are not smart. I agree and feel as though while students are in school they are either taught by the teachers or students that being more intelligent gives you a higher status and if you are uncertain of something or know less you will be considered to be below others. As a student in high school I have witness the cruelty of how students may have been treated if they were uncertain of something. The point of why I would say that students may need school even though exploring on their on education can benefit them , but going yo school gives students more discipline and helps students to communicate with others which they will need to in the future.
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DeleteSahara B:
ReplyDeleteI agree with the author John Holt saying that school is bad for children. I agree because he basically believes that in school children are just told what to do. they cant use their imagination. they're in school to be told how to do things. for example, in the text, it says, "your experience, your concerns, your curiosities, your needs, what you know, what you want, what you wonder about, what you hope for, what you fear, what you like and dislike, what you are good at or not so good at- all this is of not the slightest importance, it counts for nothing. what counts here, and the only thing that counts, is what we know, what we think is important, what we want to do, think and be." I agree with this evidence because its basically saying that what you experience, your questions or inquisitiveness, what you need, the things you know, the things you want, things you wonder about, things you desire, things you are afraid of, things you enjoy and things you don't enjoy, things you are good at and things you are not good at doesn't matter. it means nothing when school takes place. its also saying, the only thing that counts in school is what we know, what they think is important, what they want you to do, what they want you to think and be. in school, you just go to class and they say here's the work, explain it to a certain degree, and then expect you to pass just like that.
I can agree with the author John Holt because he talks about how children are told what to do and how to do it, but never get the chance to do what they actually want until their older. It"s like with school, they give you the work and say you're going to learn it, but never really never tell you how. And then when it comes to questioning, the child would feel guilty about asking a question because that's not what there taught. You learn it the teacher's way, and you'll get it; no questioning. In the text, the author talks about how a teacher expects a student to do it their way, and if not, the task can't be done. In the text, it states, "If we don't make you read, you won't, and if you don't do it exactly the way we tell you, you can't, (Holt 1). With this quote, it talks about how a teacher teaches a student to do it their way, and if not, then it can't be done. With that, that is what affects children because they get use to being told how things should be done. More so with that, later on in the text it talks about how a child is given nothing but the work, after so many years of being taught it should be done the teacher's way. When a child gets to high school, stuff is no longer told to them, but instead expected from them. With that, its like a child could no longer stand on their own which is why they begin "to dodge, bluff, fake and cheat" (Holt 1). With this quote, it proves how a child turns out to be because of the impact their youth education had on them. Therefore, I can agree with the author on how school is bad for children. It's bad for children because its like school/ teachers prepare students to do it their way, or else it can't be done, then when reached high school, its like a child is no longer able to do it on their own.
ReplyDeleteSome spelling and grammar errors -- please proofread carefully. Some statements vague/unclear such as "When a child gets to high school, stuff is no longer told to them, but instead expected from them." What "stuff" are you referring to? What exactly do you mean? 11/15
DeleteI agree with the article " School is bad for children" because teaching kids in a classroom allows them to become more enclosed in the world around them and less eager to learn. For instance in the article the text states how kids become less aware of the world around them due to being taught in school. The text states" The child comes to school curious about other people... and the school teaches him to be indifferent...in fact, he learns how to live without paying attention to anything going on around him." The text also expresses how school makes kids less eager to learn. The text states," He learns to be bored, to work with a small part of his mind...it is a rare child who can come through his schooling with much left of his curiosity, his independence or his sense of his own dignity, competence and worth." Clearly, overtime, school causes its students to be more closed off from the world than they initially want to be and as a result become less interested in school. Kids no longer see a significance in the school system and maintain the mindset opposite of what schools try to achieve. Therefore, the school systems are bad for children because they are not good at accomplishing their goal and instead make children feel cut off from the outside world and lessen their enthusiasm to learn.
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DeleteBelen Campos
ReplyDeleteI don’t agree with John Holt but I do find the author’s point of view very interesting. He takes every positive aspect of school and makes it negative. For example John Holt states, “The child comes to school curious about other people, particularly other children, and the school teaches him to be indifferent. The most interesting thing in the classroom – often the only interesting thing in it – is the other children, but he has to act as if these other children, all about him, only a few feet away, are not really there, He cannot interact with them, talk with them smile at them” (2). The author emphasizes on the fact that sometimes in a classroom a teacher doesn’t allow children to share their own conversations in class with one another but in reality that is what a teacher does at the beginning of each class. Being asked to be silent doesn’t necessarily take from a student’s independence or creativity. Being asked to be silent actually teaches students to have that self control which regardless of where they find themselves they will always have to perform. Also the author indicates and focuses on the other children being the most important or interesting thing in the classroom. I think student’s main focus in going to school should be wanting to learn. The desire to want to succeed in life should be their main focus in class.
Good job thinking critically about the article and forming your own opinion. Well-argued and clear. 15/15
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ReplyDeleteI disagree with the author John Holt saying of school being bad for children. The reason I say that is because for someone to utterly say school is bad for kids would be ignorant. Without school these children would be lacking the discipline and life skills that you would need to survive in the real world. The author says "If we don't make you read, you won't, and if you don't do it exactly the way we tell you, you can't" I think that quote is saying kids should learn how to read by themselves, but how can a child read words they don't know if they don't have the guide of a teacher to help? However, I agree with John Holt in some cases but I disagree with many of his ideas of how we should fix our schools. John Holt makes many good points of how school is bad, or at least how they might teach is. But also may fail to realize the perspective of how the education system works, and the changes he would like to make to the school's.
Strong response up until your justification:
Delete"John Holt makes many good points of how school is bad, or at least how they might teach is. But also may fail to realize the perspective of how the education system works, and the changes he would like to make to the school's."
The point of these sentences is unclear and doesn't link back to your claim about how school can be good and teachers are a guide for students to learn things that can't grasp independently. 13/15
Dominic C.:
ReplyDeleteI agree with Holt that the way school is run cripples the student's mind and comfortability with expressing him/herself. Often, who teachers and administrators consider to be the most intelligent students are the students that are very quiet and "to themselves". In the article Holt states "Having learned to hide his curiosity, he later learns to be ashamed of it. Given no chance to find out who he is - and to develop that person, whoever it is - he soon comes to accept the adults' evaluation of him." This goes to show that those intelligent students more than likely become good at hiding their curiosity and opinions, as well as becoming good at just "going with the flow" and learning the routine of school. Those students excel and get recognition while the other students that take longer to master the routine begin to struggle. Not to take away from the hard work and effort those intelligent students put into their work, but nine times out of ten these same students fit the description as stated above.
Comfort, not "comfortability." Link back to your claim. Explain how the trend of "successful students" being those who don't question authority proves that the way school is run "cripples the student's mind and ability to express themself." 13/15
DeleteShaydaiah W.:
ReplyDeleteIn the short story "School Is bad for Children" by John Holt the author tells the readers how the school education systems is bring more harm to the children . I do agree with him that the schools are harming the children because the way th education system is. The education system is set up to set the children up for failer in their feature . Holt explains how schools don't let children speak on their own. He also explains how children act when the loses their confidence . In the story it says " they learn that to be wrong , uncertain , confused is a crime" (Holt) . when children learn thes things they be again to feel bad about themselves . Which causes them to have low confidence ; By the children having low confidence it puts them in the path of failing . Which explains why I agree with Holt that the education system is harm to children.
Refer to this text as an article, not a "short story" since it is nonfiction. Some statements vague, "I do agree with him that the schools are harming the children because the way th education system is. " You should use an adjective to provide a description of the education system. PROOFREAD. You have errors in spelling and grammar. 11/15
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ReplyDeleteI agree with the author's argument. In particular, I agree with the author when he says how the students aren't motivated enough to continue in school. The teachers and staff do mention respect once or twice but afterwards, they try to force education into the students the wrong. It says in the third paragraph, "In a great many other ways he learns that he is worthless, untrustworthy, fit only to take other people's orders, a blank sheet of paper for other people to write on. Oh, we make a lot of nice noises in school about respect for the child and individual differences, and the like. But our acts, as opposed to our talk, says to the child, "Your experience, your concerns, your concerns, your curiosities, your needs, what you know, what you want, what you wonder about, what you hope for, what you fear, what you dislike, what you are are good at or not so good at." This shows how teachers and workers rarely sit and talk with the students on subject outside of school.
Cut the quote down and spend more time justifying it and explaining it in your own words with your own examples. This post is mostly copied from the text with minimal analysis on your part. 9/15
DeleteSHAKIIM HL:
ReplyDeleteYes I agree with john holts argument that when one goes to school they separate school and life. School leader make it seem like learning and living is two different things he says that leaders teach him"learning is separate from living you come yo school to learn we'll tell him as if the child hadn't been learning before as if living were out there and learning is in here and there were no connection between the two." Due to what the school tell one it makes the child feel like if you are not in school then you cannot learn one cannot learn outside of school this makes school bad for a child because school does not teach one everything. School does not teach one life lessons.this would make one refuse to learn in the outside world which will be bad for them. The outside world teaches them valuable things but school makes one not believe this which makes school bad for sombody
I'm not sure that I buy your argument that school "would make one refuse to learn in the outside world which will be bad for them."This is taking Holt's criticism too literally. He means that students would learn better more lasting lessons if they learned in the real world instead of the school environment, not that school makes the students incapable of learning anything outside of it's walls. 12/15
DeleteI agree with the article because I feel as though there are other ways to learn. In the article it says " lets git rid of all the nonsense of grades, exam marks". I feel that is the school system does this for every student then measuring education would be extremely different. Yes i have encountered this a lot of times but I over came it by finding different ways to learn and it has helped me in my middle & high school career.
ReplyDeleteWhat different ways did you find to learn? How did it relate to the article? This response lacks development -- you don't adequately explain your ideas or how you arrived at your conclusions. 10/15
DeleteMORGAN R:
ReplyDeleteIn a short story, "School is Bad for Children", written by John Holt, education is the main discussion. John Holt argues that teachers teach children a certain way to do things and they are often pressured to do things in no other way than the teachers way. I strongly agree with the argument of John Holt. This is an issue that is not often addressed, but should be. John Holt explains how learning can become bad for children, from a child's perspective. John goes on to say, "he comes to feel that learning is a passive process, something that someone else does to you, instead of something you do for yourself". With the way children are often taught, they most likely end up feeling this way. Holt explains the teachers position as to what they think they are doing in which it might be the best for the children that they teach. Holt says, "What counts here, and the only thing that counts, is what we know, what we think is important, what we want you to do, think and be". In many schools, teachers do not evaluate the student and even mind their opinion or their individual differences. Holt explains it as the teachers feel that how the students feel doesn't really matter. This is what results in school being a bad thing for children. Children need to be a bit recognized more by the teachers and they need to feel that their opinion matters, they matter and maybe they can make a difference and stand out. This is how Holt explains how school can become bad for children.
Refer to the text as an article, not a short story. You don't explain your assertions or the quotes. You need to clarify why, "the way children are often taught, they most likely end up feeling this way." What is "this way?" Explain more thoroughly in your own words. 12/15
DeleteTASHA BZ:
ReplyDeleteAfter reading the short story " School is Bad for Children" written by John Holt, I have come to the understanding that school is not all what teachers make it out to be. Holt argument is very straight forward. Holt argues that school is bad for children, he argues that if children are being forced to work and or learn, there's no reason for it. I agree with Holt and his argument. In the short story Holt talks about a young boy who he teaches and constantly tells why he's in school. Holt says, " You come to school to learn...Your experience, your concerns, your curiosities, your needs, what you know, what you want, what you wonder about, what you hope for, what you fear, what you like and dislike, what you are good or not so good at — all this is of not the slightest importance, it counts for nothing. What counts here, and the only thing that counts, is what we know, what we think is important, what we want you to do, think and be." As a student you shouldn't have to be told why you're in school and how important it is, you should just do it. This was Holt believed should be taken in action and why school is bad for children.
Your explanation of the quote doesn't seem to support your claim. Saying "you should just do it," implies that you agree that children should go to school, but your claim states otherwise. Developing your ideas further by using specific examples and explaining the rationale (why you believe what you believe) behind your opinions would improve this post. 11/15
DeleteI strongly agree with the author's argument that school is bad for children. Through out the text the author talks about the impact that school have on a child's life. The author uses a child's life before going to school and the child's life after going to school to state his reasonable opinions about the danger that school have on child's mental state. I agree with the author because through out my whole life I always wanted to learn new things and explore the many things to learn on my own , I hated being force in a classroom and being taught by a teacher because it killed the curiosity in which I had to learn. The author states, "on the first day he sets foot in a school building , is smarter , more curious, less afraid of what he doesn't know...then he will ever be in his schooling or ...his entire life" (1). The author uses a child's way of thinking before coming to school. He talks about how how the child is before he walks in the building then talks about the outcome that walking in a school building will have through the child's entire life. After walking in the school building the child left with no will to learn.
ReplyDeleteGood use of personal connections to clarify and support your opinions. 14/15
DeleteThe most dominant literary element is tone in the short story "School is Bad for Children". The author John Holt tone towards the idea that school is bad for children is that he feels that school changes kids individuality and creativity. In this portion of the short story the author that children are taught that being wrong is no room for error. That being right is a crime. It states, "He learns that to be wrong, uncertain, confused, is a crime. Right answers are what the school wants, and he learns countless strategies for prying these answers out of the teacher, for conning her into thinking he knows what he doesn't know" (Paragraph 4). The teachers deprive students from their ability to be wrong and to make mistakes, basically meaning that their is no room for error. Because students get deprived from their individuality, caused this author to experience what happening. Since the author experienced whats happening, caused to him to have a specific tone in writing this short story. Therefore, the writers most dominant literary element is tone in this short story.
ReplyDeleteGood job identifying the importance of tone in this piece. Refer to it as an article, not a short story, since it is nonfiction. Pick an adjective to describe his tone (critical, incensed, definant etc.) to make your response stronger and more focused. 12/15
DeleteI agree with the author of " School is Bad for Children". He is saying that many kids lose their independence while they are in school and that they are no longer the same kid they use to be. In school teachers want a lot from the students and the student start to become very overwhelmed and they start believe that every thing that they are doing is wrong because being wrong is not okay John Holt states " He learns that to be wrong, uncertain, confessed is a crime. Right answers are what the school wants" He is saying that when a student is wrong they get bad grades instead of being what told what they did wrong because that is not expected from them. I believe the school system want the kids to get good grades and to do well in school, but overwhelming them with work is not helping them its hurting them because they trying to stuff everything in their heads as possible, so they can learn and do well on exams, quizzes and test, but in reality they kids are not really learning everything and the teaches gets upset that they are not getting it or that they are not understanding what is going on in the classroom. Therefore, i agree with Holt because he explain in many reasons that kids don't ever fell like they are right because they are always told that they are wrong.
ReplyDeleteYour response would be stronger if you explained the reasoning behind your assertions. Why do students feel overwhelmed? How does this relate to Holt's argument? Why aren't kids really learning anything? Your analysis is also one long run-on sentence. It would be better if you broke it up into 2 - 3 sentences. 11/15
DeleteI agree with the author, that school is indeed bad for children. Through the example of how a child learns how to speak leads me to take sides with the author. A child doesn't learn how to speak by being taught and corrected; a child learns by teach it's self how to speak through adjusting their language to match the ones around them. This method of self learning that children developed at a young is then taken away once they enter the walls of a school. The author writes, "But in school we never give a child a chance to detect his mistakes, let alone correct them. We do it all for him. We act as if we thought he would never notice a mistake unless it was pointed out to him, or correct it unless he was made to." This quote means that besides allowing children correct their own mistakes and self teach themselves how to be better, teachers are doing it for them. This harms the child. Because of this method, a child might become dependent on having other's correct their mistake for them to be better people or do the right thing.
ReplyDeleteStrong contextualization of the quote about language learning. You clearly explain your ideas and how they align with the author's argument. 14/15
DeleteIn the excerpt "School is Bad for Children", the author John Holt talks about the education system within schools and how teachers seems to not be teaching their students the fundamentals of life. He also talks about how students are not being taught the basics to survive in life, for example like having a job, doing community work, maintaining a good repuataion, etc. I do agree with the author Mr.Holt that the education system is not helping our students, it's actually shielding them from not seeing the real world and not becoming mature. For example in the text it states, "You might say that school is a long lesson in how to turn yourself off, which may be on e reason why so many young people, seeking the awareness of the world and responsiveness to it they had when they were little, think they can only find it in drugs". Mr.Holt is saying that teachers need to stop shielding thier kids from the real world, because kids will only see it through experimenting with drugs and getting themselves in trouble. So in order to stop that teachers need to teach students about the real world in their classrooms and lessons. Therefore, I do agree that our education system need to change their method of teaching because, its not teaching our kids the fundementals of life.
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DeleteIn the short article " School is bad for children " the author John Holt expresses to the reader the education system in schools and the different ways that teachers teach their students. The author speaks on how its ok for the teacher to go by a certain curriculum but that students also need to learn the basic of living and being in socitey. The author knows that learning reading writting and math is important to the students but its also equally important that they know skills of living life.In the text he says " You come to school to learn .. you come to school to experience .. " If you dont learn and experience things then the students wouldn't understand what the basic skills of living are.
ReplyDeleteClaim unclear -- expresses what about the education system. Proofread -- there are several errors in spelling/grammar. Doesn't really explain the arguments presented in the article. 9/15
DeleteIn the short article, " School is bad for children", I do agree with John Holt ideas of how school sometimes take away that experience of learning things from first hand experience and how it takes away certain values of a student. However, I feel that school is a place to learn about these experiences and build a student's knowledge of the world. Schooling is now most required to get any job and college is if a student wants a higher paying career path. Holt takes about in his article how students can lose curiosity because of school. He states, "The child soon learns not to ask questions-the teacher isn't there to satisfy his curiosity. Having learned to hide his curiosity, he later learns to be ashamed of it". To disagree, school actually builds curiosity based on the lessons and classes a student takes in school. Many career paths are taken based on what subjects a student is interested in and the qualities a student for a certain job. School doesn't hinder curiosity but yet increases it, helping a student be interested in certain things in life.
ReplyDeleteGood job writing a nuanced claim that both agrees and disagrees with a complex argument. 14/15
DeleteIn the short story, " School is Bad for Children " the author states how school make students feel as thought they cant learn on their on , which i disagree with just like the author John Hault. Hault thinks any student can learn anything if they put all their effort into with or without educational help. We are already learning daily as we grow up in the world we live in. In the text it states, " In short, he comes to feel that learning is a passive process, something that someone else does to you, instead of something you do for yourself." Here, Hault wants people to understand that school is needed but at the same time its not a necessity for the real world. Teachers tend to teach things that are students will probably never use in the real world. They need to be expose to the world and learn about it. Therefore, i agree with the author when he speaks on the subject of not having school and learning more important things that students don't need teachers to learn.
ReplyDeleteProofread. Errors in grammar/spelling. Your explanation of the quote doesn't quite match the meaning. 13/15
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