Why is Brabantio so upset that Othello and Desdemona are married? Brabantio is upset because he feels like Othello has stollen his daughter from him. Because Othello is different from the people in their country, Brabantio looks down on him. He would rather Desdemona be with a rich man from their country. Brabantio sees Othello as a thief and someone who practices dark magic. In his speech he says, " So opposite marriage that she shunned The wealthy curled darlings of our nation, Would never have, t'incur a general mock, run from her guardage to the sooty bosom " (25). Here Brabantio is saying that if Othello wouldn't have cursed Desdemona, then she wouldn't be with him. She would be with one of the many rich men who wished to be with her, instead of in Othello's dirty arms.
I believe Brabantio's true reason for being upset about his daughter marrying Othello is because he is black and it goes against the norm. For instance when Brabantio finds Othello he tells him why he does not like him with his daughter. The text states,"Whether a aid so tender, fair, and happy, so opposite to marriage that she shunned the wealthy curled(darlings) of our nation...run from her guardage to the sooty bosom"(26-27). Clearly, Brabantio was angry at his daughter for possibly marrying Othello because it went against the status quo and because Othello was black.
I agree with briona. Also, brabantio dislikes the fact that desdemona as choosen othello because he believes that othello put magic on her.in the act, when making his speech about his disapproval Of desdemona and othello brabantio quotes that"That thou hast practiced on her with foul charms..."(27). Meaning that brabantio is convinced the only reason desdemona is with othello is because she doesnt know any better. She doesnt know any better because othello has"casted a spell" and "made her fall in love with him".
I would like to disagree with Briona. I feel like it has a lot more to do with Brabantio setting Desdemona as more of his possession than his daughter. On several occasions not only has he referred to Desdemona as his possession, but others have done so as well. Brabantio even addresses the issue by saying to Othello, "O, foul thief, where hast thou stowed my daughter" (I.2.64). The fact that he said stowed as if she was an object shows that he sees her as one. Even earlier in the act, Iago and Roderigo says to Brabantio that his most prized possession has been stolen from him by Othello. This I feel is free true motive behind his anger, having been made a fool of by Othello marrying Desdemona without permission and without his knowledge.
Brabantio is upset with Othello because he believes that Othello has cursed and tricked and weakened Desdemona to finally get her to marry him. Barbantio doesn't want Desdemona to be tricked into the man she marries, but he wants it to be her own choice who she will spend the rest of her life with. In the scene where Othello, Barbantio, Iago, Rodrigo and Cassio are in a meeting where Barbantio has something to say about Othello after Iago and Rodrigo drew swords. He states, "That thou hast practiced on her with foul charms/Abused her delicate youth with drugs or minerals that weaken motion/"(27). This justifies why Barbantio is so upset with Othello. He thinks that Othello has done immoral things to his daughter Desdemona by tricking her with a potion to make her marry him. But the real thing is that Iago is setting the whole thing up because he didn't get the position of being a lieutenant. Othello really does love Desdemona.
What is Brabantio's real reason for not wanting his daughter to marry Othello?
The real reason Brabantio is so ashamed of his daughter wanting to marry Othello is because Othello is a black man. Othello is not from their nation of people. Therefore Brabantio felt that Othello was unworthy of his daughter's hand in marriage, he tells him, "The wealthy curled darlings of our nation, Would ever have, t' incur a general mock,Run from her guardage to the sooty bosom of such a thing as thou—to fear, not to delight."(27). Brabantio goes far to disrespect Othello and his looks because he is a moor and doesn't resemble the rest of the people there. So he gets disrespected by the father of the woman that he loves, who is only really angry because his daughter has fallen in love the only moor n the nation, and he cant handle it.
I agree, the real reason that Brabantio doesn't want Othello to marry his daughter is because Othello is a minority and Brabantio is a rich white Venetian politician. Although Brabantio likes Othello, and use to invite him to his home alot, he dosent think that Othello is good enough for his daughter. Barbanito says, "Mine's not an idle cause, the duke himself Or any of my brothers of the state, cannot but feel this is wrong as 'twere their own, for if such actions may have passage free, bond-slaves and pagans shall our statesmen" ( 96-100). This shows how Brabantio was a racist because he doesn't respect Othello just because hes black. He asks the Duke of Venice to make it illegal for Othello and Desdemona to get married.
Othello remains calm and keeps his cool after Brabantio confronts him. Othello does not respond with anger nor with negativity, but simply talks to him to reach a conclusion. When Othello says, "Whither will you that I go to answer this your charge?"(27) he wants to show that he's a reasonable person, or that he feels confident that he's done nothing wrong. Othello also wants to show Brabantio that he has respect for him. He wants to be looked at for who he is, not because he belongs to a certain group of people. Othello wants to give Brabantio a true impression of who he is.
Othello remains calm and agrees to go with Brabantio to the duke. He does not resist his "arrest". He is confident because he knows that he is powerful. He says,"My services which I have the signiory shall out-tongue his complaints"(21). Othello has a high position in society as general of the Venetian army. He knows that his words can overpower Brabantio's even though being black is seen as inferior.
How does Iago throw Roderigo under the bus? Iago throws Roderigo under the bus by secretly holding a meeting with him to plit against Othello. He puts bugs in Roderigo's ears about Othello and gets him to side with him. He makes Othello seem like a bad guy because of his marriage to Desdemona - knowing that Roderigo is in love with Desdemona. In an excerpt from the text it states, "He comes bad intent...You, Roderigo! Come, sir, I am for you" (25). Not only does Iago go back to Othello to "warn" him of Brabantio visit about his unhappiness between the union of his daughter and Othello, he also challenges Roderigo to a fight now - despite plotting against Othello with him earlier on. He is trying to make it seem like he is all for Othello and he'll fight for him and his well-being.
why must Brabantio listen to iago about the relationship with his daughter and Othello ?
he must listen to Brabantio about their relationship because he really doesn't know what's going on and he's just going by what somebody tells him and this person is iago and the way iago is talking to him it becomes very convincing and makes him believe everything and iago continues to tell Brabantio all these crazy things about how Othello is just with Desdemona for everything but her which is actually crazy. but iago is feeding Brabantio all of this because he doesn't like Othello and wants his higher power to be token away because he thinks he doesn't deserve it at all which in this case is why he wants Brabantio to break them up and try to feed Desdemona the same information that he iago " I must show out a flag and sign of love--whih is indeed but sign. that you shall surely find him," (17). this was saying that Othello isn't really giving Desdemona the love that he says he is and that Othello should be stopped because he not giving the love that he say he's giving.
Brabantio must listen to iago about the relationship with othello an his daughter because iago is under othello's trust. Othello believes that iago is his right hand man and believes that he could trust him with anything but really iago wants to get revenge on othello for giving Cassio his position. Brabantio probably thinks that othello stole and put a curse on his daughter "o, thou foul thief, where hast stowed my daughter? Damned as thou art, thou hast enchanted her!"(25). Iago was probably in brabantio'a ear saying what things that othello could have done with his daughter and brabantio'a believing iago because he has othello's trust.
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So now that Brabantio know that Othello is the one that wants to marry Desdemona, so what do you think is next?
This is a good question Iziah. Well when Brabantio found out that his daughter wants to marry a black guy, he wanted to how. He was assuming that she was put under a spell, but she wasnt. So when Duke had heard the reason how they fell in love he had then told Brabantio that he had to deal with it. The author wrote, "I think this tale would win my daughter too. Good Brabantio. Take up this mangled matter at the best. Men do their broken weapons rather use Than their bare hands"(Othello 41). This quote shows that Duke has never heard a story so romantic. Then he goes on by saying that if his daughter had heard a story such as the one Othel has told to Dedmona, he wouldn't blame her for falling in love with him. Duke had told Brabantio that he had to get over it and live with it because Desdemona loves Othello, and you can't do anything about it. So what I think whats next for them is that Brabantio will eventually accept him to be the perfect person for Desdemona.
To answer Saieder's question of : what was the reason why Brabantio doesn't want his daughter to be with Othello, I think the real reason is presented when he tells Othello that he doesn't want his daughter to be ridiculed in society. This also goes back to my opinion of how I felt that racism was hidden in this time but not fully accepted. For example in society a lot of people didn't have any issues with Othello, a black man, being general. But now, all of a sudden because he's with a white women its an issue because now Othello, a black man, is messing with racial order. Brabantio doesn't want his daughter to be mixed in with all of this because, then she will become ostracized from the society because she's eloped with a black man. For example in the scene it states, "So opposite to marriage that she shunned the wealthy curled (darlings) of our nation , would ever have, t'incur a general mock"(27). This refers to Brabantio not wanting to chose her life over love, and this also shows his disagreement of Othello and Desdemona being together.
What do Brabantio think Othello did to his daughter?
Brabantio think that Othello has tricked Desdemona some way into marrying him. He don't believe that Desdemona will go against him like that to runaway and get married without his consent. "Damned as thou art, thou hast enchanted her! For I'll refer me to all things of sense, [If she in chains of magic were not bound,]". (25). Brabantio believes that Othello has cast some magically spell on his daughter and is torturing her.Also Brabantio cares about what the people will think if they found that he let his daughter marry someone like Othello without his permission. He feel like the people will tease him for what has happen to his daughter. Brabantio doesn't even like the fact that Othello is black man. That's another why Brabantio doesn't agree with their marriage and wants his daughter back. He doesn't like the idea of Brabantio and Desdemona being together, in his eyes Othello is nothing but pure evil and a horrible choice for his daughter.
In this scene you are able to see the characteristics of Othello and his interactions with Iago. This is shown many times in this scene where Othello is talking with both Brabantio and Iago. In the scene it states, "Not I . I must be found. My parts, my title, and my perfect soul shall manifest me rightly"(line 35-37). This is showing how Othello has much confidnece in his appearence to the rest of the people in Venince because he is very calm with dealing with the situation. This is shown specifically where it says he should be found because anybody who had did'nt have confidence would have ran away from the situation.
Brabantio is upset with Othello because he feels that Othello has put a spell on him daughter, so he can trick her into marrying him. Barbantio believes that his daughter would of never betray him and sneak behind his back to married without him knowing. "Damned as thou art, thou hast enchanted her! For I'll refer me to all things of sense" (25). Barbantio feels that Othello is using magic to use his daughter so he can get whatever he want. Barbantio don't care with anyone has to say because he will still feel that Othello is using a spell on his daughter. He trust his daughter to tell him what she plans to do in life, and he feels that she wouldn't keep her marriage away from him.
Why is Brabantio hurt by Othello being with his daughter? We know of the society's opposition to Othello because he is a moor (black man) and so Brabantio believes that Desdamona will bring shame to their family by marrying a black man. "The wealthy curled (darlings) of our nation, Would ever have, t' incur a general mock" (25). Brabantio says Desdamona would make a mockery of him by dating or marrying Othello. Brabantio wants to maintain a good image and believes that Othello will only hinder that image or reputation. Brabantio dislikes Othello because he thinks Desdamona will bring shame to their family for marrying a black man, Othello.
What do you predict will happen with Othello when Brabantio sends him to jail?
I think Brabantio will be forced to free Othello from prison because he is the best military leader. The Duke had sent his men for Othello because he seemed to need assistance with his troops. Cassio comes to Othello and says, that the Duke summoned for Othello for "something from Cyprus...the galleys have sent a dozen sequent messengers this very night at one another's heels...[Othello] has been hotly called for" (23). There is clearly an issue with the war in Cyprus because the Duke sends out twelve men for one Othello. Because the Duke makes such a huge deal about finding Othello, it is clear that he has great importance in the meeting about the war and Brabantio's arrest of Othello will interfere with the amount of assistance Othello could give to the war so he will be excused of arrest.
what does brabantio tells duke ? Brabantio is very angry with othello because he believes that othello has bascially put a spell on hsi daughter he is explaing to the duke . In the text it states "She is abused, stol'n from me , and corrupted . By spells and medicines "(33) he is referring to desdmona nature so the is upset that othello is bascially changing her . So barbantion wants duke to hear him out because nobody else will he wants duke to have his side because he is highly upset with the way his daughter is turning out because of her marriage wiht othello. He believes othello has really did something to desdomna .
In Act 1 Iago uses different ways of manipulation towards each of the characters so that he can be able to bring down Othello. Iago knows that Roderigo is controlled by emotions and isn't a logical thinker. Iago tells Roderigo that Othello took a love interest with Desdemona to make him turn against Othello. Brabantio is Desdemona's father Iago also pinpoints Othello as the enemy by telling Barbantio that Othello has ran away with his only child. Iago also try to manipulate Othello by pretending to be loyal and honest to Othello but be putting on completely different faces.
What is the role of race in this play? The role that race plays in this play is that it Othello and Desdemona from each other and soon becomes the big problem in the book. in the text in Act 1 scene 2 it says, " The wealthy curled of our nation, would ever have, t'incur a general mock." This is basically saying that if she gets with him the people in their society will judge her because she is with a man of color. In that time it was not acceptable to be with a man of color or you will be judge, that is what Barbantio is saying and that why he doesn't want her with Othello
Why does Othello choose to plead his case about why he has fallen in love with Desdomnia to Brabantio ?
Othello tells Brabantio that he didn't put a spell on Desdemona, he tells him that he actually feel in love with her because showed was the only woman that showed him that she actually cared about the mistakes he has made in the pass. On page 41 Othello states, " She loved me for the dangers I had passed, And I loved her for that she did pity them. This only the witchcraft I have used."(194-195) He is telling Barbantio this because he want s Barbantio to love him as a son and treat him as family and not his enemy.
What does this scene show about Othello as a person and his personality so far?
This scene in particular shows how he's very confident with who he is, his position, and what he stands for. Throughout all of the negativity that was given from Iago, Roderigo, and even Barbantio, he managed to not be discouraged. He states, " How may the Duke be therewith satisfied, whose messengers are here about my side, upon some present business of the state, to bring me to him? (27). Because he's the general of the army, he holds a high position with the Dukes due to the fact that he is successful at what he does. This goes to show the attitude Othello had during this scene was confident and stern.
Iago is very manipulative. He uses Roderigo as a way to get Othello in trouble, while at the same time Iago is trying to stay on Othello's good side. While Roderigo is telling Brabantio of his daughter's marriage to Othello, iago says " Farewell, for I must leave you. It seems not to meet nor wholesome to my place to be producted, as if I stay I shall, against he Moor" (1.1.161). Iago then goes to inform Othello that Brabantio is coming for him, leaving Roderigo to make it seem as though he's on Othello's side. This shows that iago is manipulative because he's using Roderigo to complete his own agenda against Othello.
Why does the Duke not care about Brabantion accusing Othello?
The Duke does not care that Brabantio is accusing Othello of wrong doing because he know that Othello words are true. Brabantio accuses Othello of stealing his daughter and putting her under a spell, however Othello's words show other wise. After listening to Othello the Duke states " I think this tale would win my daughter too"(41). The Duke knows that Othello is speaking from the heart. By knowing this, the Duke knows that Othello words are true and thus does not believe his accusations from Brabantion.
Why is Roderigo feeling a type of way against Othello and Desdemona?
Roderigo feels some type against Desdemona and Othello because Roderigo wanted to be with Desdemona and he had a "thing" for her , but she chose the an who has her heart , which is Othello , despite the fact that he's Black and a minority also widely unaccepted in society. Roderigo says he "will incontinently drown [himself].." (49). This means that he was going to commit suicide because he couldn't have Desdemona the way he wanted her , and him not being able to fulfill his desire made him feel some type of way and want to die.
Do you think Brabantion is anger because Desdemona really do love Othella ? I think deep inside Brabantio its hurt that his daughter want to belong with a black man. He thought at first Othello put a spell on Desemona which wasn't true and now he tells Othello to watch out for her. For example in the text it states " Look to her Moor, if thou hast eyes to see. She has deceived her father ,and may thee"(49). This clearly shows how Brabantio is upset and feeling are hurt because desdemona has lied to him and want to be with Othello. So he is trying to do any thing he can so that Othello and Desdemona wouldn't be together basically telling Othella that desdemona will betray him.
How come the Duke is the only person who actually treat Othello kindly by the person he is?
Iago, Brabantio, and Roderigo always uses Othello race against him, but the Duke didn't see race with Othello, he saw him for his self. When the Duke needed to talk with Othello about going into battle, Brabantio decided to tell the Duke about Othello kidnapping his daughter Desdemona. The Duke says, " Patience her injury a mock'ry makes. The robbed that smiles steals something from the thief; he robs himself that spends a bootless grief " (43). To clarify, he is saying how Othello is a goo man and that Barbantio can't dwell on losing his daughter because trying to stop the marriage is a waste of time. Showing how most of the time, everyone refers to Othello as a moor and looks down upon him. However, the Duke appears fine by his race and judges him for his character not his looks.
Why is Brabantio hurt by Othello being with his daughter? (In Response to Naheem H)
I agree that Brabantio is hurt by Othello being with his daughter because he believes that Desdamona will bring shame to their family. Yet, I also think that part of the reason is that Brabantio feels like Othello took something that belonged to him, and he didnt have the right to do that. When Brabantio and his officers aproched Othello, Brabantio says, "O, thou foul theif, where hast thou stowed my daughter"(80-81). Brabantio is implying that Othello took his daughter and hide her from him. This causes him to be upset and not wanting his daughter to be with this man.
Why is Brabantio upset that Othello might married his daughter?
I think he is upset because that is daughter and that he might loose his daughter to Othello and he don't want that, and he don't think Othello is the man for her to be with. He believes that she can be with someone so much better than him.He don't want his daughter with a moor or a black man, and that his only way that he got Desdemona to marry him if he had put magic on her or tricked her into the marriage. In the text it states, " If she in chains of magic were not bound,Whether a maid so tender, fair, and happy,So opposite to marriage that she shunned" (25). Brabantio just dont believe that his daughter can love Othello without him putting a spell on her because she is too smart to fall in love with a moor.
Iago is determined to get revenge on Othello. He starts off with revealing to Desdemona’s father that Othello had married his without his consent. Iago wakes up Brabantio in the middle of the night and gives him the news in a negative way, which only characterizes Othello as a dirty black thing that has been having intercourse with his daughter. Iago states, “an old black ram is tupping your white ewe” (13). He describes Othello as an aggressive dirty black ram, while he compares Desdemona to a white ewe which represents purity. Through his comparisons, Iago emphasizes to Brabantio the seriousness of the situation. Iago leads to Brabantio’s anger towards his own daughter and against Othello. The anger Brabantio feels shows Iago’s success in the first part of his revenge plan on Othello.
Barbantio is in fact upset that Othello is marrying his daughter because he doesn't believe that Desdemona truly wants to marry him. Desdemona felt that marriage wasn't for her and she looked down upon it. Barbantio says "so opposite to marriage that she shunned the wealthy curled(darlings) of our nation" (1.2.85) He believes that Othello had to put a spell on Desdemona for her to now be okay with being married. Barbantio is upset at the fact that Desdemona went against her word and is now getting married without him knowing
Why is Brabantio so upset that Othello and Desdemona are married?
ReplyDeleteBrabantio is upset because he feels like Othello has stollen his daughter from him. Because Othello is different from the people in their country, Brabantio looks down on him. He would rather Desdemona be with a rich man from their country. Brabantio sees Othello as a thief and someone who practices dark magic. In his speech he says, " So opposite marriage that she shunned The wealthy curled darlings of our nation, Would never have, t'incur a general mock, run from her guardage to the sooty bosom " (25). Here Brabantio is saying that if Othello wouldn't have cursed Desdemona, then she wouldn't be with him. She would be with one of the many rich men who wished to be with her, instead of in Othello's dirty arms.
I believe Brabantio's true reason for being upset about his daughter marrying Othello is because he is black and it goes against the norm. For instance when Brabantio finds Othello he tells him why he does not like him with his daughter. The text states,"Whether a aid so tender, fair, and happy, so opposite to marriage that she shunned the wealthy curled(darlings) of our nation...run from her guardage to the sooty bosom"(26-27). Clearly, Brabantio was angry at his daughter for possibly marrying Othello because it went against the status quo and because Othello was black.
DeleteI agree with briona. Also, brabantio dislikes the fact that desdemona as choosen othello because he believes that othello put magic on her.in the act, when making his speech about his disapproval
DeleteOf desdemona and othello brabantio quotes that"That thou hast practiced on her with foul charms..."(27). Meaning that brabantio is convinced the only reason desdemona is with othello is because she doesnt know any better. She doesnt know any better because othello has"casted a spell" and "made her fall in love with him".
I would like to disagree with Briona. I feel like it has a lot more to do with Brabantio setting Desdemona as more of his possession than his daughter. On several occasions not only has he referred to Desdemona as his possession, but others have done so as well. Brabantio even addresses the issue by saying to Othello, "O, foul thief, where hast thou stowed my daughter" (I.2.64). The fact that he said stowed as if she was an object shows that he sees her as one. Even earlier in the act, Iago and Roderigo says to Brabantio that his most prized possession has been stolen from him by Othello. This I feel is free true motive behind his anger, having been made a fool of by Othello marrying Desdemona without permission and without his knowledge.
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ReplyDeleteBrabantio is upset with Othello because he believes that Othello has cursed and tricked and weakened Desdemona to finally get her to marry him. Barbantio doesn't want Desdemona to be tricked into the man she marries, but he wants it to be her own choice who she will spend the rest of her life with. In the scene where Othello, Barbantio, Iago, Rodrigo and Cassio are in a meeting where Barbantio has something to say about Othello after Iago and Rodrigo drew swords. He states, "That thou hast practiced on her with foul charms/Abused her delicate youth with drugs or minerals that weaken motion/"(27). This justifies why Barbantio is so upset with Othello. He thinks that Othello has done immoral things to his daughter Desdemona by tricking her with a potion to make her marry him. But the real thing is that Iago is setting the whole thing up because he didn't get the position of being a lieutenant. Othello really does love Desdemona.
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ReplyDeleteWhat is Brabantio's real reason for not wanting his daughter to marry Othello?
ReplyDeleteThe real reason Brabantio is so ashamed of his daughter wanting to marry Othello is because Othello is a black man. Othello is not from their nation of people. Therefore Brabantio felt that Othello was unworthy of his daughter's hand in marriage, he tells him, "The wealthy curled darlings of our nation, Would ever have, t' incur a general mock,Run from her guardage to the sooty bosom of such a thing as thou—to fear, not to delight."(27). Brabantio goes far to disrespect Othello and his looks because he is a moor and doesn't resemble the rest of the people there. So he gets disrespected by the father of the woman that he loves, who is only really angry because his daughter has fallen in love the only moor n the nation, and he cant handle it.
I agree, the real reason that Brabantio doesn't want Othello to marry his daughter is because Othello is a minority and Brabantio is a rich white Venetian politician. Although Brabantio likes Othello, and use to invite him to his home alot, he dosent think that Othello is good enough for his daughter. Barbanito says, "Mine's not an idle cause, the duke himself Or any of my brothers of the state, cannot but feel this is wrong as 'twere their own, for if such actions may have passage free, bond-slaves and pagans shall our statesmen" ( 96-100). This shows how Brabantio was a racist because he doesn't respect Othello just because hes black. He asks the Duke of Venice to make it illegal for Othello and Desdemona to get married.
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DeleteHow does Othello respond to Brabantio's banter?
ReplyDeleteOthello remains calm and keeps his cool after Brabantio confronts him. Othello does not respond with anger nor with negativity, but simply talks to him to reach a conclusion. When Othello says, "Whither will you that I go to answer this your charge?"(27) he wants to show that he's a reasonable person, or that he feels confident that he's done nothing wrong. Othello also wants to show Brabantio that he has respect for him. He wants to be looked at for who he is, not because he belongs to a certain group of people. Othello wants to give Brabantio a true impression of who he is.
Othello remains calm and agrees to go with Brabantio to the duke. He does not resist his "arrest". He is confident because he knows that he is powerful. He says,"My services which I have the signiory shall out-tongue his complaints"(21). Othello has a high position in society as general of the Venetian army. He knows that his words can overpower Brabantio's even though being black is seen as inferior.
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How does Iago throw Roderigo under the bus?
ReplyDeleteIago throws Roderigo under the bus by secretly holding a meeting with him to plit against Othello. He puts bugs in Roderigo's ears about Othello and gets him to side with him. He makes Othello seem like a bad guy because of his marriage to Desdemona - knowing that Roderigo is in love with Desdemona. In an excerpt from the text it states, "He comes bad intent...You, Roderigo! Come, sir, I am for you" (25). Not only does Iago go back to Othello to "warn" him of Brabantio visit about his unhappiness between the union of his daughter and Othello, he also challenges Roderigo to a fight now - despite plotting against Othello with him earlier on. He is trying to make it seem like he is all for Othello and he'll fight for him and his well-being.
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Deletewhy must Brabantio listen to iago about the relationship with his daughter and Othello ?
ReplyDeletehe must listen to Brabantio about their relationship because he really doesn't know what's going on and he's just going by what somebody tells him and this person is iago and the way iago is talking to him it becomes very convincing and makes him believe everything and iago continues to tell Brabantio all these crazy things about how Othello is just with Desdemona for everything but her which is actually crazy. but iago is feeding Brabantio all of this because he doesn't like Othello and wants his higher power to be token away because he thinks he doesn't deserve it at all which in this case is why he wants Brabantio to break them up and try to feed Desdemona the same information that he iago " I must show out a flag and sign of love--whih is indeed but sign. that you shall surely find him," (17). this was saying that Othello isn't really giving Desdemona the love that he says he is and that Othello should be stopped because he not giving the love that he say he's giving.
Brabantio must listen to iago about the relationship with othello an his daughter because iago is under othello's trust. Othello believes that iago is his right hand man and believes that he could trust him with anything but really iago wants to get revenge on othello for giving Cassio his position. Brabantio probably thinks that othello stole and put a curse on his daughter "o, thou foul thief, where hast stowed my daughter? Damned as thou art, thou hast enchanted her!"(25). Iago was probably in brabantio'a ear saying what things that othello could have done with his daughter and brabantio'a believing iago because he has othello's trust.
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DeleteTah-quan: You don't really justify your point about how Iago's relationship with Othello makes Brabantio trust his word. Brabantio doesn't even know that Iago is the one telling him (Iago is hiding and calling out from the darkness) 12/15
So now that Brabantio know that Othello is the one that wants to marry Desdemona, so what do you think is next?
ReplyDeleteThis is a good question Iziah. Well when Brabantio found out that his daughter wants to marry a black guy, he wanted to how. He was assuming that she was put under a spell, but she wasnt. So when Duke had heard the reason how they fell in love he had then told Brabantio that he had to deal with it. The author wrote, "I think this tale would win my daughter too.
Good Brabantio. Take up this mangled matter at the best.
Men do their broken weapons rather use
Than their bare hands"(Othello 41). This quote shows that Duke has never heard a story so romantic. Then he goes on by saying that if his daughter had heard a story such as the one Othel has told to Dedmona, he wouldn't blame her for falling in love with him. Duke had told Brabantio that he had to get over it and live with it because Desdemona loves Othello, and you can't do anything about it. So what I think whats next for them is that Brabantio will eventually accept him to be the perfect person for Desdemona.
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DeleteTo answer Saieder's question of : what was the reason why Brabantio doesn't want his daughter to be with Othello, I think the real reason is presented when he tells Othello that he doesn't want his daughter to be ridiculed in society. This also goes back to my opinion of how I felt that racism was hidden in this time but not fully accepted. For example in society a lot of people didn't have any issues with Othello, a black man, being general. But now, all of a sudden because he's with a white women its an issue because now Othello, a black man, is messing with racial order. Brabantio doesn't want his daughter to be mixed in with all of this because, then she will become ostracized from the society because she's eloped with a black man. For example in the scene it states, "So opposite to marriage that she shunned the wealthy curled (darlings) of our nation , would ever have, t'incur a general mock"(27). This refers to Brabantio not wanting to chose her life over love, and this also shows his disagreement of Othello and Desdemona being together.
ReplyDeleteWhat do Brabantio think Othello did to his daughter?
ReplyDeleteBrabantio think that Othello has tricked Desdemona some way into marrying him. He don't believe that Desdemona will go against him like that to runaway and get married without his consent. "Damned as thou art, thou hast enchanted her! For I'll refer me to all things of sense, [If she in chains of magic were not bound,]". (25). Brabantio believes that Othello has cast some magically spell on his daughter and is torturing her.Also Brabantio cares about what the people will think if they found that he let his daughter marry someone like Othello without his permission. He feel like the people will tease him for what has happen to his daughter. Brabantio doesn't even like the fact that Othello is black man. That's another why Brabantio doesn't agree with their marriage and wants his daughter back. He doesn't like the idea of Brabantio and Desdemona being together, in his eyes Othello is nothing but pure evil and a horrible choice for his daughter.
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ReplyDeleteIn this scene you are able to see the characteristics of Othello and his interactions with Iago. This is shown many times in this scene where Othello is talking with both Brabantio and Iago. In the scene it states, "Not I . I must be found. My parts, my title, and my perfect soul shall manifest me rightly"(line 35-37). This is showing how Othello has much confidnece in his appearence to the rest of the people in Venince because he is very calm with dealing with the situation. This is shown specifically where it says he should be found because anybody who had did'nt have confidence would have ran away from the situation.
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DeleteWhy is Brabantio upset with Othello ?
ReplyDeleteBrabantio is upset with Othello because he feels that Othello has put a spell on him daughter, so he can trick her into marrying him. Barbantio believes that his daughter would of never betray him and sneak behind his back to married without him knowing. "Damned as thou art, thou hast enchanted her! For I'll refer me to all things of sense" (25). Barbantio feels that Othello is using magic to use his daughter so he can get whatever he want. Barbantio don't care with anyone has to say because he will still feel that Othello is using a spell on his daughter. He trust his daughter to tell him what she plans to do in life, and he feels that she wouldn't keep her marriage away from him.
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DeleteWhy is Brabantio hurt by Othello being with his daughter?
ReplyDeleteWe know of the society's opposition to Othello because he is a moor (black man) and so Brabantio believes that Desdamona will bring shame to their family by marrying a black man. "The wealthy curled (darlings) of our nation, Would ever have, t' incur a general mock" (25). Brabantio says Desdamona would make a mockery of him by dating or marrying Othello. Brabantio wants to maintain a good image and believes that Othello will only hinder that image or reputation. Brabantio dislikes Othello because he thinks Desdamona will bring shame to their family for marrying a black man, Othello.
What do you predict will happen with Othello when Brabantio sends him to jail?
ReplyDeleteI think Brabantio will be forced to free Othello from prison because he is the best military leader. The Duke had sent his men for Othello because he seemed to need assistance with his troops. Cassio comes to Othello and says, that the Duke summoned for Othello for "something from Cyprus...the galleys have sent a dozen sequent messengers this very night at one another's heels...[Othello] has been hotly called for" (23). There is clearly an issue with the war in Cyprus because the Duke sends out twelve men for one Othello. Because the Duke makes such a huge deal about finding Othello, it is clear that he has great importance in the meeting about the war and Brabantio's arrest of Othello will interfere with the amount of assistance Othello could give to the war so he will be excused of arrest.
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ReplyDeleteBrabantio is very angry with othello because he believes that othello has bascially put a spell on hsi daughter he is explaing to the duke . In the text it states "She is abused, stol'n from me , and corrupted . By spells and medicines "(33) he is referring to desdmona nature so the is upset that othello is bascially changing her . So barbantion wants duke to hear him out because nobody else will he wants duke to have his side because he is highly upset with the way his daughter is turning out because of her marriage wiht othello. He believes othello has really did something to desdomna .
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DeleteHow is Iago Manipulative in Act 1 ?
ReplyDeleteIn Act 1 Iago uses different ways of manipulation towards each of the characters so that he can be able to bring down Othello. Iago knows that Roderigo is controlled by emotions and isn't a logical thinker. Iago tells Roderigo that Othello took a love interest with Desdemona to make him turn against Othello. Brabantio is Desdemona's father Iago also pinpoints Othello as the enemy by telling Barbantio that Othello has ran away with his only child. Iago also try to manipulate Othello by pretending to be loyal and honest to Othello but be putting on completely different faces.
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DeleteWhat is the role of race in this play?
ReplyDeleteThe role that race plays in this play is that it Othello and Desdemona from each other and soon becomes the big problem in the book. in the text in Act 1 scene 2 it says, " The wealthy curled of our nation, would ever have, t'incur a general mock." This is basically saying that if she gets with him the people in their society will judge her because she is with a man of color. In that time it was not acceptable to be with a man of color or you will be judge, that is what Barbantio is saying and that why he doesn't want her with Othello
Why does Othello choose to plead his case about why he has fallen in love with Desdomnia to Brabantio ?
ReplyDeleteOthello tells Brabantio that he didn't put a spell on Desdemona, he tells him that he actually feel in love with her because showed was the only woman that showed him that she actually cared about the mistakes he has made in the pass. On page 41 Othello states, " She loved me for the dangers I had passed, And I loved her for that she did pity them. This only the witchcraft I have used."(194-195) He is telling Barbantio this because he want s Barbantio to love him as a son and treat him as family and not his enemy.
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DeleteWhat does this scene show about Othello as a person and his personality so far?
ReplyDeleteThis scene in particular shows how he's very confident with who he is, his position, and what he stands for. Throughout all of the negativity that was given from Iago, Roderigo, and even Barbantio, he managed to not be discouraged. He states, " How may the Duke be therewith satisfied, whose messengers are here about my side, upon some present business of the state, to bring me to him? (27). Because he's the general of the army, he holds a high position with the Dukes due to the fact that he is successful at what he does. This goes to show the attitude Othello had during this scene was confident and stern.
How is Iago manipulative?
ReplyDeleteIago is very manipulative. He uses Roderigo as a way to get Othello in trouble, while at the same time Iago is trying to stay on Othello's good side. While Roderigo is telling Brabantio of his daughter's marriage to Othello, iago says " Farewell, for I must leave you. It seems not to meet nor wholesome to my place to be producted, as if I stay I shall, against he Moor" (1.1.161). Iago then goes to inform Othello that Brabantio is coming for him, leaving Roderigo to make it seem as though he's on Othello's side. This shows that iago is manipulative because he's using Roderigo to complete his own agenda against Othello.
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DeleteWhy does the Duke not care about Brabantion accusing Othello?
ReplyDeleteThe Duke does not care that Brabantio is accusing Othello of wrong doing because he know that Othello words are true. Brabantio accuses Othello of stealing his daughter and putting her under a spell, however Othello's words show other wise. After listening to Othello the Duke states " I think this tale would win my daughter too"(41). The Duke knows that Othello is speaking from the heart. By knowing this, the Duke knows that Othello words are true and thus does not believe his accusations from Brabantion.
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ReplyDeleteRoderigo feels some type against Desdemona and Othello because Roderigo wanted to be with Desdemona and he had a "thing" for her , but she chose the an who has her heart , which is Othello , despite the fact that he's Black and a minority also widely unaccepted in society. Roderigo says he "will incontinently drown [himself].." (49). This means that he was going to commit suicide because he couldn't have Desdemona the way he wanted her , and him not being able to fulfill his desire made him feel some type of way and want to die.
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DeleteDo you think Brabantion is anger because Desdemona really do love Othella ?
ReplyDeleteI think deep inside Brabantio its hurt that his daughter want to belong with a black man. He thought at first Othello put a spell on Desemona which wasn't true and now he tells Othello to watch out for her. For example in the text it states " Look to her Moor, if thou hast eyes to see. She has deceived her father ,and may thee"(49). This clearly shows how Brabantio is upset and feeling are hurt because desdemona has lied to him and want to be with Othello. So he is trying to do any thing he can so that Othello and Desdemona wouldn't be together basically telling Othella that desdemona will betray him.
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DeleteHow come the Duke is the only person who actually treat Othello kindly by the person he is?
ReplyDeleteIago, Brabantio, and Roderigo always uses Othello race against him, but the Duke didn't see race with Othello, he saw him for his self. When the Duke needed to talk with Othello about going into battle, Brabantio decided to tell the Duke about Othello kidnapping his daughter Desdemona. The Duke says, " Patience her injury a mock'ry makes. The robbed that smiles steals something from the thief; he robs himself that spends a bootless grief " (43). To clarify, he is saying how Othello is a goo man and that Barbantio can't dwell on losing his daughter because trying to stop the marriage is a waste of time. Showing how most of the time, everyone refers to Othello as a moor and looks down upon him. However, the Duke appears fine by his race and judges him for his character not his looks.
Why is Brabantio hurt by Othello being with his daughter? (In Response to Naheem H)
ReplyDeleteI agree that Brabantio is hurt by Othello being with his daughter because he believes that Desdamona will bring shame to their family. Yet, I also think that part of the reason is that Brabantio feels like Othello took something that belonged to him, and he didnt have the right to do that. When Brabantio and his officers aproched Othello, Brabantio says, "O, thou foul theif, where hast thou stowed my daughter"(80-81). Brabantio is implying that Othello took his daughter and hide her from him. This causes him to be upset and not wanting his daughter to be with this man.
Why is Brabantio upset that Othello might married his daughter?
ReplyDeleteI think he is upset because that is daughter and that he might loose his daughter to Othello and he don't want that, and he don't think Othello is the man for her to be with. He believes that she can be with someone so much better than him.He don't want his daughter with a moor or a black man, and that his only way that he got Desdemona to marry him if he had put magic on her or tricked her into the marriage. In the text it states, " If she in chains of magic were not bound,Whether a maid so tender, fair, and happy,So opposite to marriage that she shunned" (25). Brabantio just dont believe that his daughter can love Othello without him putting a spell on her because she is too smart to fall in love with a moor.
Iago is determined to get revenge on Othello. He starts off with revealing to Desdemona’s father that Othello had married his without his consent. Iago wakes up Brabantio in the middle of the night and gives him the news in a negative way, which only characterizes Othello as a dirty black thing that has been having intercourse with his daughter. Iago states, “an old black ram is tupping your white ewe” (13). He describes Othello as an aggressive dirty black ram, while he compares Desdemona to a white ewe which represents purity. Through his comparisons, Iago emphasizes to Brabantio the seriousness of the situation. Iago leads to Brabantio’s anger towards his own daughter and against Othello. The anger Brabantio feels shows Iago’s success in the first part of his revenge plan on Othello.
ReplyDeleteBarbantio is in fact upset that Othello is marrying his daughter because he doesn't believe that Desdemona truly wants to marry him. Desdemona felt that marriage wasn't for her and she looked down upon it. Barbantio says "so opposite to marriage that she shunned the wealthy curled(darlings) of our nation" (1.2.85) He believes that Othello had to put a spell on Desdemona for her to now be okay with being married. Barbantio is upset at the fact that Desdemona went against her word and is now getting married without him knowing
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