Tiana, Alvin, Chideya, Jayna, Ashlei, Namir -- use this space to begin your discussion of Divergent. You are responsible for reading the first 10 pages, asking a good Level 4 question, and answering it in CCEJ. You may also add on (new evidence) or disagree with another group member's post.
Why is the character so nervous about the test that she is about to take that will determine her whole future?
ReplyDeleteI think that she is nervous becuase she wants to have a life where she doesn't want to have pain or suffering.Overall, she wants to pass and not fail. Knowing that she has only one chance to prove she belongs in, she wants to make the best choice so that the judges don't make a mistake of where she belongs based on her actions and choices. On page 2 she introduces the aptitude test that will show her which faction she will be in."I stare into my own eyes for a momement. Today is the day of the aptitude test that will show me which of the five factions i belong in.And tomorrow, at the choosing ceremony, i will decide on a faction; i will decide the rest of my life; i will decide to stay with my family or abandon them."This justify how her being nervous can be natrual in wanting the best for herself.Her life is being determine by her choices and i know by my own experinces that i have done things to make successful to where i am now. So it comes to making to best of your life, If you really care about what you do in the future. You will be nervous.
I agree with you that the main character is nervous about the test because he he fears being fractionless. In the society that he lives in everyone has a group that they fit into. This group is called a fraction. This frictions determines their lives, their jobs, and even who they are surrounded by. The main character expresses his nervousness when he says, " I get up because I'm suppose to, but if it were up to me, I would stay in my seat for the rest of time. I feel like there is a bubble in my chest that expands more by the second, threatening to break me apart from the inside" (10). This quote shows his nervousness. This feelings comes from wanting to pass the test and fit into a fraction. He says, "To live fractionless is not just to live in poverty and discomfort; it is to live divorced from society, separated from the most important thing in life: community" (20). With this idea of being fractionless, it is understood that he is nervous about taking a test that determines his future.
DeleteIs being a Divergent such a danger in a dystopia?
ReplyDeleteI feel as though being a divergent in this type of dystopia are is far more dangerous then anything. Since divergent stands for different it means a person won't settle into either of the faction. In a dystopia society its not allowed for people to think outside the box or draw to much attention to themselves, They feel as though if people don't fit a faction they would become something else who may want more, feel they need to achieve more since there not like everyone else. this will make it difficult to keep the control of the society. While Beatrice is having her test she gets information about her test learning that she is unique; Tori explains, "is that you displayed equal aptitude for Abnegation, Dauntless, and Erudite. People who get this kind of results are....she pauses...are called...Divergent;This is different. Divergent is extremely dangerous."(22-23). They just maybe you as a threat of being to powerful. They wont be able to control her or anyone who id like this. Being divergent is extremely dangerous if you are caught by the government for not being able to fit just one faction so that you can be under their control.
You must proofread your writing before posting. There are frequent errors in spelling, punctuation and grammar that hinder your arguments. You are correct about your analysis of being divergent in a dystopia, but it is very hard to understand due to your errors. 11/15
DeleteHow does initiation change and transform Tris?
ReplyDeleteInitiation changes and transform Tris into another soicety that she believes fits her best. Tris is able to get out of an old character and require a new one. Her appearance, mindset, choices, and attitude has transform into a different person. Something that she would never thought of while still living with her parents in faction of the Abnegation. I believe that Tris becoming Dauntless is not her at all. She seem like a person that do not take risk that often and really don't like violence. But the choices she made tells her she has the Dauntless aptitude. I see that Tris real specialty is getting the job done and not letting fear get in the way of what she must do. Still, Tris actions throughtout the initiation is building her skill level up. Even meeting new friends like Al, Will, and Christina and fighting different people to get ranked, also getting a tattoo. These are expericences she's having now, but she can't forget about her parents and her brother. "Want a tattoo? She says....Yes, I say. "Three of these flying birds." I touch my collarbone, marking the path of their flight-toward my heart. One for each member of the family I left behind".(90). As Tris continue to be competitive to become a member of the Dauntless, she will think and understand why she choose this faction. Instead of the factions her brother choose (Erudite) or with her parents (Abnegation). Tris will understand that she is Divergent and can be herself.
These posts are well thought-out and indicate a good level of comprehension. It's great that you are reading ahead and leading your group! Make sure you do all three posts every week. You missed one. 28/45
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ReplyDeleteWhat do you think will happen after page 47?
ReplyDeleteIn this part of the book, the kids are choosing their fractions. The main character isn't sure still to this point want he group he want to be apart of. He says, "I am selfish. I am brave" (47). This quote shows how he isn't sure. Because he fits into both fractions, I think that he will choose to stay with his family's fraction because he brother choose to switch. When switching fractions from your family, one loses connections with their family. Loving his family and caring about them, I think that the main character will stay with his caring side.
My prediction was wrong. It seems like the main character chooses the selfish side of the frictions. This lead him to Dauntless. In the book it states, " The crowd of Dauntless leading us go to the stairs instead of the elevations" (49). This quote shows that he choose the selfish fraction, which his family doesn't belong to.
DeleteThe main character is a SHE!! Stop referring to her as a male! Overall, your first post was the strongest and you received full credit. These last two lack development -- strong explanations that justify your prediction or explain why she choose Dauntless. 35/45
DeleteMy prediction about what may happen to her is that she will have to fight meaning as prove that she belongs in this faction. She has now has to leg go of her old ways to adapt too the way being a faction has to live. Enough though she isn't aware of what may happen she will have to be above all in order to fit as being a Dauntless.
ReplyDeleteWhat does it mean to be factionless in Tris's society?
ReplyDeleteWhat it means to be factionless in Tris's society is that the people who don't qualify for that faction will be factionless and cannot join any other faction if they are not accepted.That person will become nothing to society. Usually they are proving that they belong in that faction during the initiation. where they do certain things to prove they can apart of that faction. Factionless people are people who is poor and have a hard life just because they have no place in society. It's shows how that the different factions have their own rules and way of life that makes a person who they risk their life to be an need to be in order to stay alive. "I hear a shout and look over my shoulder. A short Erudite boy with red hair pumps his arm as he tries to catch up to the train.An Erudite girl by the door reaches out to grab the boy's hand, straining, but he is too far behind. He falls into his knees next to the tracks as we sail away, and puts his head to his hands. I feel uneasy. He just failed Dauntless initiation.He is factionless now. It could happen at any moment". This justify how being factionless can really hurt you in the long run and have a real effect on you based on a certain moves or mistake you do to.It take a lot of courage and bravery so do something you know is really dangerous and risky as well.
What is the difference between being fearless and learning to control your fears?Do you believe anyone can be fearless?
ReplyDeleteThe difference between being fearless and learning to control your fears is that being fearless means that nothing that you do challenges you or puts you out of your comfort zone when doing that objective. Being fearless means you have no conscious and your emotions don't stand in your way of being brave. In learning to control your fears, this means that you have fears but you hold them back and keep them inside and become brave. Learning to control your fears build the skill of becoming fearless at certain things that made you have fears of. It can be anything to a person, object, place, etc. Tris is standing in front of an board while is tested of her flinching. A knife is thrown at her to see if she has the bravery to keep calm or if her fears will get the best of her. "He passes a knife from his left hand to his right hand, and I see nothing but his eyes as the second knife hits above my head. This one is closer than the last one-I feel it hovering over my skull...This time when it hit's the board, my ear stings, and blood trickles down my skin. I touch my ear. He nicked it"(164) This explain how being fearless is not easy but take a lot of tremendous skills and facing your fears head on. Tris prove how it's possible on building the skill of being fearless but it also has it's deadly consequences on being brave and fearless.
Why is Eric so ruthless to Four? Is it fear that string him to be this way?
ReplyDeleteEric is so ruthless to Four because Eric sees that Four is a threat to him. Eric learned that Four was giving the opportunity to become head leader of the Dauntless; even though Four turns it down it ticks Eric off that Four is seen as a better to stronger leader then him. Tris notice that "Eric is more ruthless then Four, but Four is smarter" (135). In this situation Four is more powerful than he thinks and Eric fears that Four might take him down,so he treats Four less than a leader and tries to put him down, however Four ignores it and does his own thing by making smart moves.
Do think Tris should have backed off when going to get the flag and letting Christian get it?
ReplyDeleteTris should not have backed off when it came to capturing the flag. Tris tends to care to much about how others feels; she needs to focus more on how she need to stay above and win. She pulls back and thinks to herself "Maybe she's right; I've already proved myself today. I do not want to be greedy; I do not want to be like Eric, terrified of other people's strength", (154). She should have never backed down because she needs to show that shes a leader and not worry about how others feel she needs to take charge.
Ashlei Daniels
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why was four putting on a front for tris mom ?
I believe four was putting on a front for tris mom because he did want her to know what he was really doing to her child. he didn't want tris mother to know that they were actually hurting her and being rude to her , rather than helping her be successful in life .
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I agree with Alvin , to be faction less basically mean you have no place in society . when you don't have a faction it means that you don't fit in , you are poor and is not accepted into any other faction. in the text it says "he fell to his knees next to the tracks as we sailed away, and put his head in his hands. I felt uneasy, he just failed the dauntless initiation"(132). So because the boy failed his test he is factionless now . this means that he is no going to be equal to everyone else in society. he is not going to be able to fit in to another faction and he isn't going to be able to survive in that society. he's going to be poor and isn't going to be able to relate to anyone because he isn't apart of anything .
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- How could tris society be consider a dystopia?
Tris community could be consider a dystopia because she doesn't live in a normal society. Tris and the people in her community have factions. Factions are basically their way of life. In order for you to determine what type of faction you will have , you are told to cut you self and let your blood drip over the bowl/faction you want to be. In the text it says " you are between both factions , this is very dangerous. do not tell anyone!" I consider this to be a dystopia instead do a utopia because everyone is the same. there is someone that acts or behave exactly like you. everyone doesn't have there own opinion making the society a dystopia .
Unfocused claim. You don't explain how your evidence (choosing a faction) proves the claim (how the society is dystopian). 12/15
DeleteAlvin and Chideya -- good responses but you are each missing one. You should post three per week. 28/45
ReplyDeleteWhat faction do you think you woukd have been born into, given your family and it's value?
ReplyDeleteI believe the faction that I would have been born into is Erudite. My mother always said that education is the passport to a good life. Gaining knowledge is an example of not becoming a failure in life. Given my family values, my mother always said to use common sense. Use logic instead of using your emotions and anger to work out a problem, that I may have with someone or something. I believe that if people were educated, that the world would be a better place. There would be less violence, and brilliant ideas will arrive making better solutions to problems, that the world has right now. In the back of Divergent it has the Erudite Manifestos. It says " Ignorance" is defined not as studipity but as lack of knowledge. Lack of knowledge inevitably leads to lack of understanding. Lack of understanding leads to a disconnect among people with differences. Disconnection among people with difference leads to conflict. Knowledge is the only logical solution to the problem of conflict."(43). I think that I would stay with the Erudite and not change my faction because of the logic that is within the Manifestos. The idea that knowledge is power and with that knowledge you can do anything you want, gives a certain advantage in life. The ability to understand why things work and how they have a major role in life.
What choices have you made that have transform you? What future choices might you also make that will transform you differently?
ReplyDeleteThe choices I've made that transform me into who I am today is making the right decisions and taking advantage of many opportunities that will benefit me in the future. I believe that I will continue to make the right choices and keep on taking advantage of the opportunities that come my way, to become successful in lifem I think the decisions I made changed me in a number of ways. Mostly based on the experiences that goes on in my life and how I learn from the situation. I avoid bad choices that can hurt my future. Good choices or bad, each of them will decide who I am. I can learn to imporve myself if I didn't like the reaction. I think that my choices made me a respectful, perserverance, intelligent, open-minded, tough person that I am today. Even though I have a lot of faults, I continue to be positive and grow mentally. I believe that my eviroment also help make my choices and where I want to go in life. When ever I see homeless people begging for money or people who are highly addicted to drugs or alcohol, I see that as a chance to transform and achieve a better life. My life hasn't been easy and what lies ahead won't be easy either. It will be a challenge that I'm willing to take to transform into a better person, student and athlete.
How does the idea "Faction before blood" come into play throughout the book?
ReplyDeleteThe idea "Faction before blood" come into play throughout the book because, the leaders of these factions made the rule, that once in your in that faction you must prove that you belong there. Wanting to go back with your family in a different faction is not a option in their society. It's suppose to be like the faction that you are in is your family now and that if you try to quit that means you are a coward and wasn't loyal to the faction you choose or you were born into. Making you factionless. It's people choices and their instincts that they made in the aptitude test that they believe they can live in these factions. But that's not always correct. All the other habits you had gain from your family faction is now useless. If you chose another faction. Ifyou stayed in the faction you were born in, then your habits can help you during the faction's initiation. Tris explain how the saying "Faction before blood" has a great value in people and their decisions in becoming a part of an faction of their choosing. "But the reach of the faction is not limited to these areas. We give one another far more than can be adquately summarized. In our factions, we find meaning, we find purpose, we find life." I think of the motto I read in my faction history text-book: Faction before blood. More than family, our factions are where we belong. Can that possibly be right?"(43). The saying "Faction before blood" have only one thing, and that is to forceb people to obey the rules within themselves and stay committed to there faction. But that doesn't mean rebillious act won't come of people who are Divergent. You can't be with one group of people forever. You can't grow or understand the real purpose of life.
What purpose does each of the five faction serve in society?
ReplyDeleteThe purpose of the five faction serve in the society is to put people into different groups to make them equal in the faction of their choosing. When going into a faction, you must follow the rules of the faction.You must conform to the lifestyle of that faction as well. You cannot dress differently, speak differently, or carry your old habits of a faction you were once in. If you choosed another faction. It's ok to have the same habits if you stayed with the faction you were born in. The goal is to keep everybody in the same mindset in the faction. This methond tries to make the society of "Divergent" become an utopia, but instead it has a characteristics of an dystopia society. The characteristics is that the society must conform into what the leader or ruler says they must do. Like an dictatorship. That's why the saying "Faction before blood" come in place with people living. Tris explain how the Abnegation are the faction that mostly rule the goverment. Based on their characteristics of regarded as incorruptible and their lack of selflessness. With moral fortitude and their leadership skills, they believe they can take on the responsibility. "The city is ruled by a council of fifty people, composed entirely of representatives from Abnegation, because our faction is regarded as incorruptible, due to our commitment to selflessness. Our leader are selected by their peers for their impeccable character, moral fortitude, and leadership skills. Representatives from each of the other faction can speak in the meetings on behalf of a particular issue, but ultimately, the decisions is the council's."(33).Overall the purpose of the five factions is to place people in the groups they think they would fit them and their life. However though, one choice decides your friends, and your loyalty to a faction, your beliefs about life and the time you have in it. The choices you make transforms you. And if you make the wrong choice, then you risk your life of being factionless. Nobody wants to be factionless in their society.
Tris says about Candor, "It must require Bravery to honest all the time"(p.62). Do you agree?
ReplyDeleteI would agree that it takes bravery to honest at all times. Mostly when your in a situation that is not that serious and your not inflicting pain on somebody, it's better to tell the truth. Telling the truth helps build good and strong characteristics. However, at some points in your life, you'll need to lie to protect what you have or just to stay out of trouble. But that easier said then done. I believe that being honest has a connection of being brave. For example, in high school many teenagers don't really be honest with you if you look some type of way that don't the criteria of "Looking Good". Some teenagers won't be mean and tell that peer they look a mess. However, there are teenagers that's brave and want to help a peer, so they would be honest and tell that peer they look a mess and need a change in clothing. But this example doesn't go for high school. It's goes for life as well. Some adults have problems in being honest. It's the mindset you must have. Knowing that honesty helps, not hurt people, at the right moments. When you see somebody doing something wrong, you want to be honest and brave and tell them what their doing is wrong and help them understand why it's wrong. Being honest all the time is very challenging and it causes people to come out of their comfort zones a lot. Tris explains how she had a moment where her friend believe she was lying but Tris was strong and stuck with her word. Even though she was lying, her friend didn't know the truth. "Are you going to tell me the truth now?" He ask softly. "The truth is", I say, " I'm suppose not to discuss it. And you're not suppose to ask" "All those rules you bend, and you can't bend this one? Not even for something this important?"(30). Overall I believe that it take bravery to be honest at all times. It's something you must build and continue to work on as you get older. But we are human and we will makes mistakes. It's how you learn from it that can benefit you in becoming better at being honest. Be honest with yourself before being honest with other people.
Why do you think Four helps Tris?
ReplyDeleteI think Four helps Tris because he is divergent as well. After Tris took that test and was able to "break the glass" by realizing that it was an allusion and she wasn't really drowning in water. Four seeing the results of the test, tells Tris that he will delete them and that he knows that she is divergent. In this society being divergent is a bad thing. If anyone was to know that Tris is divergent she could end up dead. When Tris realizes that Four knows, she goes to the tattoo shop to meet the lady that told her that she was. The lady tells her about changing simulations are, " people who want you dead. Or people who have experienced it themselves". This means that Tris is helped by Four because he is either divergent himself or he knows someone that was that died and he doesn't want Tris to die as well.