Vitensky, Naquan, Micha'elle, Jason, Matt -- use this space to begin your discussion of Divergent. You are responsible for reading the first 10 pages, asking a good Level 4 question, and answering it in CCEJ. You may also add on (new evidence) or disagree with another group member's post.
How does the making of people display dystopia ?
ReplyDeleteThe making of people display dystopia because everyone are forced to be the same and one no has individuality to be their own person. In this novel people are produced in a Centre by other humans and the people that are produced are the same because they are forced to do and be the same as one another.The people that are made in the Central London Hatchery and Conditioning Centre come from "the same ovary and with gametes of the same male to manufacture as many batches of identical twins" (8). This shows how citizens are forced by the government to be the same as one another because everyone is produced from the same ovary and same gametes, the people that are produced will inherit the same traits due to the fact that they come from the same placed and are produced at the same time.
The making of people displays a dystopia as a "dictating" society and as a place that if we had to choose mostly no one would want to be in that society. As Naquan stated above the society makes everyone identical and makes everyone have the same physical features, mental ability and also their way of living, thus concluding that the way the people are shown are the works of the society.
DeleteThe making of people in this novel shows a dystopian society because people are dehumanized. The people in this society aren't their own individual person, rather clones of one. In this society, clones are made to do one job in particular, each varying. In the text, while explaining the bokanovsky theory, the director says, "Ninety-six identical twins working ninety-six identical machines!" (7). This shows that the clone that are made are made to work. These clones are built not with their own idea of their life but rather with an destiny already decided for them. If's as if they have no say in their life, they are dehumanized.
ReplyDeleteThe making of people displays dystopia because their destinies are predetermined. They have no freedom to choose what they want to do with their lives. In this novel, people are hardwired to enjoy certain conditions so they can be more adept at jobs that are predetermined for them. As the Director said in the novel, "All conditioning aims at that: making people like their unescapable social destiny" (16). They make the test subjects like their jobs to reduce the chance of rebellion. They control who does what and made it so that everyone's okay with that. This human engineering thing strips people of their freedom making it a prime example of a dystopia.
ReplyDeleteIs the director controlling their free will ?
ReplyDeleteThe director is controlling over their free will by creating them with abilities that they want them to have. When they create a person all the information a person is suppose to have is given to them from the creators, and the type of work they want them to be in is given to them by training them before they are ready. Huxley says, "Later on their minds would be made to endorse the judgment of their bodies . . . Our colleagues upstairs will teach them to love it" (16). They force them to be in a work force that the person didn't choose and is given every piece of information to know how to do it instead of learning it by themselves. They control over how the person will lead their lives and make it so that things run smoothly. This human creation thing takes the person free will away by not allowing them to choose their own path.
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ReplyDelete(I mean full credit as 15/15 for one post, so if you did one post for the week you received 15/45)
Deletewhat does the constant need for sex show us about the society ?
ReplyDeleteThe constant need for sex shows that the community is obsessed with having sex because everyone is constantly have sex and sex is the main topic when someone is having an conversation. In Brave New World sex is the main focus from when your young until you get older, young children run around naked playing with each other then they start to try sexual things. Huxley says, "A little boy of about seven and a little girl who might have been a year older, were playing . . . a rudimentary sexual game" (31). Children at the age of seven and eight shouldn't be having sexual actions between one another because they are to young to even know what sex is, but since sex is the main focus in society everyone knows the basics of sex and have experimented sex even at a young age.
I think the constant need for sex shows us how different this society is to our actual society. In this society, children are involved in sex and it's acceptable. for example, in chapter three, children are expected to engage in sexual activities with one another. whereas, in our current society, children aren't even expected to know anything about sex. this shows that the need for sex in is portrayed to show the difference between readers' reality, and the book's reality.
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No evidence 9/15
DeleteWhile reading, have you found yourself agreeing with the way society is ran?
ReplyDeleteI don't fully agree with the bokonovsky theory, but I have fkund that the way that this society is ran is brilliant. People are made amd only made to do one thing. That makes society a success because people can't feel pity or even feel better than others because they don't know how it feels to be like someone else. For example, in chapter 5 Henry says, when trying to describe how Epsilon's feel about being Epsilon, "They don't know what it's like to be anything else... we start with a different heredity". Thiss hows brilliance because this makes for a perfect society.
To answer Micha'elle's question, I have found that I strongly dissagree with the way society is run thus far in this world. A world where you're told what type of person you'll be. is a world where freedom and independence is taken away. I dislike that all paths to think differently have barriers set in place to prevent this thinking.
ReplyDeleteWould you consider this society successful? Why or why not?
I would consider this society successful with an exception. The exception is John. John is the only one who really wuestions the society everyone else just goes along with what ever the society rules are because they are scared of the consequence. They are also used to the norms of the society. As stated in Micha'elle's piece of text they were used to being "happy" and being given pleasure the way society wanted them to and as long as they we're following directions, then society was happy. Unlike John who wasn't content with just being "average".
DeleteYes, I think this society is successful. Due to the lack of independent free will, this world is organized and under full control. Through drugs and sex, they teach people how to get happy for themselves. "What you need is a gramme of soma...one cubic centimetre cures ten gloomy" (60). What makes this so successful is that the clones want to take these drugs because they've been conditioned to act in these ways.
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ReplyDeleteAt what point in the story do you think citizens begin to potentially rebel?
ReplyDeleteI think that Bernard is one of the first character of Brave New World to begin to rebel or at least convey his opinion on the way everyone lives in this dystopian society. While watching the sea amd listening to a radio that sang a tune, Bernard tell Lenina "I want to look at the sea in peace, one can't even look with that beastly noise going on" (90). And when Lenina says that she wants to listen, Bernard says "But I do. It makes me feel as though...as thought I were more me, if you see what I mean. More on my own, not so completely a part of something else" (90). Bernard is describing how he wants to enjoy a simple view of the sea without the repetitive tune that plays, creating a reminder of the society that he lives in; one that isn't free or allows individuality.
Micha'elle Wright
*rebel against the society's expectations*
DeleteHow will you connect A Brave New World to your essay in English?
ReplyDeleteFor the English Essay I'll connect Brave New World to a dystopian society (option 1), and explain how society is being depicted. Brave New World has some characteristics of a dystopia because the main characters live in an dehumanized state. The setting portrays a society of organization and perfection while at the same time freedom is restricted and the government are determine citizens' life.